Bowline

1 So what is this magic one-handed method of tying a Virgin mobile ringtones bowline that is so superior to the traditional bunny?

2 Wouldn't it be better, i.e., more informative, if the Bailey Boobies bowline on a bight were discussed and described in the same article? Tracfone ringtones user:Ortolan88/Ortolan88

Hi, Boobie Tease Satsun. Two carriage returns makes a paragraph. The thing just makes a line break.

You don't have to put the ? mark next to unwritten articles, wiki already distinguishes between existing and nonexistent arguments. Crazy frog ringtone user:Ortolan88/Ortolan88


Hi Ortolan88:

Point 1. I hope to provide pictures for tying each knot, including the bowline. That way I can keep the word descriptions succinct. I'm only on phase one of this project so I'll defer the instruction until phase two.

Point 2. I agree that the connection between the two knots should be made for the user. A word or two why there is a connection and a link is adequate. To fully describe another knot under the name of the first knot will lead to duplication. I feel this approach could lead to confusion, and missing/over-looking information for our users.

I am only now starting to settle in on a format for the articles. I appreciate that you have been patient. I agree the content can be improve. I am making another sweep through the articles improving the content. There will be hundreds of insites by you and others that will be added.

In a later round I'll add the tying pictures. This is a huge job!
At 300+ knots it approaches in quality the typical knot books in print.

Thanks about the 'two returns' = paragraph. I've start to use 'break's as you suggest.


I've started to master the link thing. Got a few wrong earlier.

Got to go sweep some more.

Rachel Ricci user:Satsun/Satsun, Friday, June 21, 2002


''Just a small note:

''If my cub scouts tied the bowline as shown on the picture, I would correct them and help them redo it with the end coming out on the outside, and not inside the loop. Frode H
:Hi Frode H,
:You can tie it both ways, and it's correct - depending where later will be more interference. When sailing smaler boats you use this knot usually for connecting the sheet on the clew - and there this knot is beaten around - better to have the end on the inside, otherwise the end might "pushed" into the knot and so slowly losened (and sometimes detached).
:The one thing there the picture _is_ questionable: the end is much to short and makes the knot very unsecure. Cricket ringtones User:Hella/Hella (gut Pfad, I've been a scout leader, too)


What does 'Releasing: Non-jamming' and 'Efficiency: 60-75%' ''mean''? I have no what information these sections are trying to impart. Robin Ricci Dcfleck/dcf 17:30, 2004 Jun 20
:Releasing means how difficult it is to untie the knot after load. If I understod it correctly, efficiency is about how effective the knot is compared to a not knotted rope (here you'd probably compare a naturaly worked in loop created by the rope maker whith the Bowline). And yes, it might be a good idea to have an explanation somewhere. Maybe a knotting native speaker will do so? LG ringtones Hella/Hella 08:01, 26 Jun 2004 , who is at least not a native speaker

Main Line??

''Commonly used in sailing small craft to secure the top of the main sheet to the main line''. I have been sailing since I was 5 years old and never heard of the main line! If you are going to tie top (?) the main sheet anywhere it could be on to the boom. (Note for non sailors the main sheet is a rope controlling the The Nutbusters mainsail).

Suggestions: A bowline is commonly used to bend a halyard on to the head of a sail, or may may be used to bend jib sheets to the Cingular Ringtones Sail/clew of the whowhere or jib. expiration is Billlion/Billlion 22:35, 20 Aug 2004

Lightning Method

Could you explain the lightning method in more detail please? The link to track acceptable slip knot turns out to be not really helpful - what sort of slip knot? are budget Vignaux/vignaux 01:24, 2004 Dec 9
: attwater prairie Image:Lightning_bowline_steps.png/thumb/right/Bowline step-by-step (lightning method) How's this? If you can find a good place for it in the article, feel free to add it somewhere. - actually helped Sik0fewl/sik0fewl 07:19, 14 Dec 2004

Hi, I just came by this site. I am Ben Walker, the inventer of the Jedi Bowline. This very fun bowline has been re-named the "Benjai Bowline", because of Star Wars movie copyrights and my name is not Jed. I taught this method to thousands of Boy Scouts at Camp Chawanakee and at Boy Scout Academy. It is only fast (under one second!) if the hands are placed correctly. I have a video clip that I will try to make available. Note that the end of the rope can be on the outside or inside, but for very good reasons it is prefered on the outside because of the slipperiness of modern line materials. I hope to contribute more as I learn to use Wikipedia.

: So the way shown at the top of the article is the less secure way to do a bowline? - best what Sik0fewl/sik0fewl 02:07, 2 Jan 2005

Yes, the knot at the top of the main bowline article, end on the inside, is less secure. Although the rope's breaking strength may possibly be reduced by the tighter bends of the Benjai Bowline (with the end on the outside). I must find the time to get in on this Wikipedia stuff, and write more. Try this experiment for yourself. Tie the bowline with the end on inside and also on the outside. Then simulate ocean wave action, tugging up and down on the bowline's bunny tree. The end of the bowline on the inside will untie itself almost magically. A tight overhand pre-tied on the end of the line is one way to "lock" a bowline to prevent this. There are several other more secure ways to lock a bowline, but this one can be done before you spend the one second require to tie a Benjai Bowline. It's all about hand placement, ease of learning, and spectacular fun. -Ben Walker